Do Indian Immigrants Contribute to the Host Countries : Indians in the USA

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To: Anonymous, thank you for submitting your reasons why you folks, in general, do not give back enough to your host country, my country of birth ... to boil all it down in a brief phrase, you honestly say " knew too well that the only thing worth doing in the US is to accumulate as much $$$ as quickly as possible and get the f#$K out of there." Earned enough yet ?

There is some truth in all of what you way ... hyperbole mixed with foundation.

There are many, many, many Americans born and bred ... Chicano, Filipino, White, Black, rich, poor, Middle Class and so on ... who DO NOT contribute or give back to my land of birth ... yes, a lot of take and exploit. But, just to spread out the idea around ... I know there has always been too much human narcisim and exploitation (Vietnam, MesoAmerica, Africa, Europe ... the Phillipines ... Highlander hating the Lowlander, Vietnamese resenting the ethnic Chinese Vietnamese ... Aztec stealing and robbing some other civilizations, it goes on and on).

No doubt there is corporate greed, and organizational greed in my country ... there is greed and bullshit: take and then lie that we took ... honor your heritage, and care nothing about the individual.

But I know that one can not win a discussion on the internet, nor convince the other that how he feels is right. At the most elemental/juvenile/boyhood level of a man who was born and raised in what was America (I do think it has changed so much that it now loosely resembles my America of the 1950s, 1960s and up to 1978 ... around 1980 it went very corporate, or started to become "Global") ... my America did convey a sense of being disconnected with the mainstream "whites" ... and I know about feeling like a "beanner" and "greaser" and "monkey" ... and I still feel a certain disconnect when I see higher ups in pale face (alot of the "diversity" is filled in with Females ... it's a "comfort level" thing ... its an appearance thing ...),

I know they hypocracys ... I know it seems that selling "the flag" and "freedom" and "Christianity" don't fit with the ideal America. The blacks who have fought in many of our wars knew that hypocracy. The Native Americans have definitely known humiliation and hypocracy and broken promises. The Mexicans and the Mexican-American War ... I know something about ... and the stealing of Spanish Land Grants and branding of Mexican Americans as stupid and lazy. I know a bit about the Philipine-American War and the torturing that Americans did back then ... probably know more about it than many Filipinos do. In my minds memory I can still recall a scene where two white Stockton police officers had a little Filipino man out on the street and I hear them call him "Monkey". I know about Corporate Executives making a lot more money than the lower folks and then bailing out with their Golden Parachute retirments.

And this goes on and on like that ... but the question asked on your forum ... do you do enough for your host country ? My country ... my boyhood sense and answer is NO YOU DON'T.

My daughters friend and she is Indian but USA born, is not allowed to date yet but when she will have permission ... he has to be INDIAN.

I and many like me, were born in the late 1940s. Our dads and moms fought in WWII and the post war era had tons and hours of television, cartoons, movies and so on, based upon WWII ... my California days were largely built around the understanding that I would go into the military and go to a war and I did ... not that I understood global politics ... it was my culture of boyhood and young adulthood. It was a love hate affair in the army ... my curse and blessing. What else can an American ask for but to take the curse and the blessing together ... to be born in a country and inhale its history of good and evil, and inequities and hypocracy ... and claim it as his ... and be glad that such a country could have the dark underside of the Mafia, the KKK, Dupont, Bank of America, Pancho Villa, the deadly desert, the big prairies, clean mountain air ... the California of high mountains, earthquakes, clean air and smog, the California of my memory, of rolling hills and wild grasses filled with Golden Poppys, and forever days of playing Bucaneer with a wooden stick for a sword, slashing at other Pirates ... this is my land, of good and bad ... lazy and selfish and irresponsible Americans and benificent Americans ... your a guest, make your money and go or contribute.

I forgot my password but I am Garcia ...

By Anonymous on Sunday, June 18, 2006 - 12:05 pm:

Garcia: Que pasa jue? ;)

First off, I would like to state that I am not working for the Commentern.

Setting that aside, why did you serve in a nation's army which obviously is imbued w/ racial divide and whose policies as a whole are dictated by corporate interests- of which your community isin't a part of?

Is it worth serving such a Menshevik society? As my cousin who worked his b$lls off for skunkworks. They were involved in the patriot missile research programme. 18 hours a day, non stop. And after that...being unemployed and then settling for a $12 per hour blue collar job.

And after the work was done, he just got a big, fat middle finger. Thankfully, even though I'm not as qualified as him, I knew too well that the only thing worth doing in the US is to accumulate as much $$$ as quickly as possible and get the f#$K out of there. All this after he has much more qualification that I could ever dream of. Like 3 technical masters degrees, and what not...

Nobody in Menshevik economies care on how much blood and toil you've shed. Can you bring in the $$$? That's all they care about. And mostly, the ppls doing the FRONTLINE work are the ones who get exploted the most.

And speaking of racial divide in the Menshevik US army, please name me ONE high ranking "Chicano." Most of them are just grunts. Please do take note that I've lived in Crenshaw Boulevard as well and East LA is not an alien land to me.

If you defected to the NVA, at least you would've gotten a government job with a modest monthly income and education security for your children. And you would've had RESPECT. And the North Vietnamese didn't brand your different communities as "spiks" or "niggers."

As you've realised, most of us don't go there to "serve" the US- because it's just an unwise thing to do on your part. Most are just eager to grab the $$$ and improve our own individual lives.

And please think about this also: Why does the US have the highest rate of prisoner population in the WORLD if it's so damn rich?! And why are most of them Hispanics and blacks (i.e. minorities)? Because the construction industry needs to boom and prison building is good business- if you're building a school or office, you'll need to maintain quality and standards. Not for prisons...really, nobody scrutinizes them. So, you can see that entire communities- such as yours- are being used as tools, in an exploitative manner, just to keep an industry manned by a select few running.

Again...I don't work for Vo Nguyen Giap or whoever else, it's a private opinion. America is a corporate run state. It's that simple. YOu can't expect gratitude or service if you aren't a part of the corporate circle or their interest groups...

Now- I call India "my country" because the govts have served us really well and has given us ample opportunities to succeed. Now, in India, if I drove an expensive car, I won't be branded as an Al-Qaeda sympathizer. In the US, if a "Chicano" or a negro drove an expensive car, he is an assumed drug peddler.
I've been around East LA long enough to document this as fact.

I agree- the government doesn't shower me with riches...but it respects me as an individual and my community as a part of the country. If India was run like the US, believe me, I'd be outta here the very next micro-second. To prove my point, ALL your presidents are elite whites ever since your 200+ yr. old history. Not here. Our prez/ leader of our nuclear programme is a Muslim. Our Prime Minister is a Sikh. The list goes on and on...and we've only been operating as a modern democracy since 1947...

And your original settlers of North America are thrown into reservations as if they're wild animals. What power do they have in society? Nada. Here, our original inhabitants, the Dravidians, control states, for crying out loud and are healthy contributors to our economy...

...and please don't bother talking about the civil war. The whole thing was fought to supress labour intensive economies of the Confederate South and give the capital intensive economies of the Union North a leverage in the North American continent. The "slavery" thing was just a publicity stunt which worked really well.

And how's about the Ku Klux Klan? They're allowed to exist today, LEGALLY, eventhough they were involved in the most henious human rights crimes in North American history. All this time, when a group such as the "Black Panthers" comes up, they're terrorists. Bah!

So plz don't channel your anger on pplz who are only trying to maximize their self benefit. YOUR country as a whole is seriously flawed...

By Garcia on Saturday, May 01, 2004 - 11:17 pm:

I was born in the U.S.A. and am fully American son of a Chicana (oh .. "Hispanic") mother (born in Phoenix, AZ) and my father was an immigrant from the Philipine Islands (worked as a Migrant Farmworker. My stepfather was also an immigrant from the Philipine Islands and fought in the American Army in WWII (wounded). My pure Latino uncle was born and raised in Arizona and fought in the Korean War. One of my hafl bros served in the Vietnam War. I served in the Vietnam War as well ... Army riverboat, I Corps ... operations Dewey Canyon II and Lam Son 719.

I see all these brain drain folks from Bombay or Singapore ... (sorry ... yet not sorry) ... who have no vested history in America, come to my valley and country ... and they do not seem to serve in our Armed Forces, or Public Service ... just get the money and ride the waves that those who have bled, worked hard for (Pioneer Days, Civil Rights Days, wars etc...) and sacrificed for.

Holding a brain drain job and paying taxes is NOT enough ! Currently, there are all kinds of Indians at the library where I am at now .... I feel resentment.

In the two years I was in the U.S. Army ... I can't recall seeing a Chinese American in service. And now, according to the Wall Street Journal, there are only 1,800 Chinese Americans serving, and that is pathetic.

Us Chicanos / Filipinos have always put our butts on the line ... and us Chicanos in particular ... still get denigrated. Just to spread the ethnic "whine" ... as a Chicano, I am sick and tired of being lost between the Black vs White hassle. As a Chicano at work, when I hear from blacks "you don't see too many of 'us'" around here (the workplace), I think, look around, you will see far, far, far fewer Latinos. But, quite frankly ... I'd far more prefer to hang around my black bros, than some brain drain worker from Indian or China. I just can't seem to connect with them, and getting to the point where I do not want to.

By recursion on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 08:26 pm:

The question is, Do Indian Immigrants Contribute to India?, esp. Indians in the USA. They have to contribute to the host country, the host ensures this. The dollars ensure it, and our slave-souls ensure it. No question about it!!

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By nick on Monday, April 22, 2002 - 05:58 am:

Question to rita.
Does your argument about indians not contributing also aply to other races who enter america?

By Deepak Kumar Vasudevan on Wednesday, April 12, 2000 - 11:51 am:

Can I get some photos of Happy families on the Net?

By Nick on Monday, January 17, 2000 - 11:17 pm:

Indian, sorry I meant National Renewable Energy Laboratory in Colorado for your and TIm's gobbr gas experiment

By Nick on Thursday, January 13, 2000 - 09:34 pm:

Dung gas now?!!????!!! You can't be serious!

Yes Tim, India has done a lot of pioneering work in anaerobic digesters. In fact the National Center for Alternative Fuels which is part of the Feds' organization in Denver is doing a lot of work with India in trying to promulgate the work here in the US as well. You probably always knew Denver was a cow town, now you know the real reason it smells of manure.

Indian, if you want to get involved in gas, I would suggest you talk with some of the scientists at this Center. There are a lot of Indian scientists there who are pioneering this work. Let me know if you would like me to help you get in touch with some of them.

Be careful with this idea though, you can get mired in that uniquely Indian penchant for all talk and no action - in this case, all gas and no s____!

Seriously though, Tim, do post the website info on this site - I would like to visit.

By Tim Dean on Thursday, January 13, 2000 - 07:03 pm:

Indian,

I meant to say in my previous post that there's nothing wrong with the first approach. It makes a great deal of sense to do the thing that makes you most productive in real economic terms. Then the more money you make, the more you can afford to give away to good causes. I don't see the sense in spending thousands of dollars to fly to India to dig sewer ditches when you can send a few hundred dollars there to accomplish the same thing and employ local people. Just like everything else in this material world, we need to work hard at maximizing our effectiveness when we seek to help people.

Tim

By Tim Dean on Thursday, January 13, 2000 - 06:53 pm:

Dear Indian,

I live near Ft. Worth, Texas. How 'bout yourself?

Looks like a good time to be studying computers. I'm in the oil business, myself. Trying to get out and find a more appropriate way of earning a living.

The sewage aspect of the project is pretty major in that it would help to justify a village sewer system which is a major aid in the fight against water contamination. The sewage would be treated, along with animal waste, anaerobically at a temperature that would kill all known pathogens and would produce methane and CO2. The methane could be used in internal combustion engines or fuel cells and the effluent is a very rich fertilizer. CO2 added to water also greatly enhances the growth of aquatic plants like duckweed. You may be aware that India has pioneered the development of anaerobic digesters. I believe that those systems use animal dung for the most part, which is considered "pure" in India. Using human sewage may be impractical or may require education or a purification ritual by a local Brahmin. That's a big unknown to me.

I envision a computerized system that would optimize energy and mass flows to maximize economic return. Once again I'll TRY to get some docs describing the overall system on my website this weekend. Things are a bit hectic at the moment though, so bear with me.

Good luck in your studies and career and remember India in your success.

Tim

By Indian on Tuesday, January 11, 2000 - 11:11 pm:

Tim ,

I fear I would have to go with the first approach.Presently I cant spend much time on a new effort or develop an existing effort since that would require a lot of time and dedication.

Iam a Masters student in Computer Engineering.

Iam not sure about the human waste thing. As long as people dont know about it ,I think it would be ok.Fish is a major food in India and there wouldnt be any opposition against it.

BTW where do u live? Just curious.

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