America under Heavy duty Attack - Important Discussion
America under Heavy duty Attack - Important Discussion
| By Anonymous on Wednesday, August 11, 2004 - 03:28 am: |
Pakistani held with videos of key US buildings
Wednesday, 11 August , 2004, 07:58
Charlotte: Federal authorities on Tuesday took custody of a Pakistani man, who had videotape footage of landmark buildings, dams and transit systems throughout the southeastern United States.
Buildings included the Bank of America and Wachovia bank -- two of the largest financial institutions in the country -- in Charlotte, as well as the Texas state Capitol, the Texas governor's mansion and key business and financial buildings in Dallas, Austin, Houston, Atlanta, and New Orleans.
Also on the tapes are footage of the Mansfield Dam in Texas, of trolley cars in Dallas and a rail line in Houston that handles more than 29,000 commuters a day, according to a federal criminal complaint filed last week.
The suspect, Kamran Akhtar, also known as Kamran Shaikh, was stopped and questioned by Charlotte police on July 20 while he was videotaping near a busy street intersection. Charlotte Police Chief Darrel Stephens said in a news conference here that Akhtar told the police he was filming videos for family members.
After the police questioning Akhtar was handed over to immigration agents, who found that in 1998 a New York City immigration court ordered him to leave the country.
Akhtar, who said he is a resident of Elmhurst, New York, and lied about having residency papers, left Pakistan in 1991, according to the affidavit. On Tuesday US Federal Marshals took Akhtar into their custody.
The Department of Homeland Security has issued no alerts relating to his arrest, but a federal bulletin was issued last week to police officers in the cities where Akhtar had videotaped landmarks.
| By Anonymous (62.252.64.10) on Saturday, January 10, 2004 - 06:44 am: |
"Their commitment to peace, justice and democracy is genuine, as is their religious faith."
This is total idiocy.
Their commitment to their lifestyles enables them to turn a blind eye to what is done in their name.
Anyone who thinks americans, wealthy ones, care about what is going on in the world are fooling themselves.
| By Khalid Hassan on Wednesday, October 23, 2002 - 06:07 am: |
Sir,
How it will be possible for a new prime minister to drive the state vehicle smoothly and freely, when the engine and body will belong to one larger party and radial tyres to smaller parties. It's needless to mention here that the vehicle will not have any spare wheel. Any smaller party at any time could demand for the return of tyre and reason for this could be the prime minister does not know how to drive and keep our tyre in contact with the vehicle. Under the current circumstances, if the journey starts then we wish for a safe and long journey.
Islamabad
| By kartik on Saturday, February 23, 2002 - 10:19 am: |
by the perl's death it is decided that pak is playing a game with both countries , what next is a proof we r waiting for to give pak. a tough reply ????
| By Anonymous on Monday, February 18, 2002 - 03:34 am: |
The Americans got what was coming to them, am sorry to say this but its true, They simply cant go round the world sticking their Pig noses into everyones business. But most the American public are ill-informed or too naive to realise what their government army gets up to in foreign land.
| By cooljay on Monday, January 28, 2002 - 12:08 am: |
AMERICA won't last more than 30 years.
All this military spending has cost the average
middleclass American FOOD on the table.
This Country is heading for DISASTER, there so pig -
headed, just watch how much its gonna cost, you are
slowly falling into ASIAN arms, & beleive me we will
have the last laugh.
Let the battle commence & i ain't no muslim.
| By Anonymous on Saturday, December 15, 2001 - 12:42 am: |
Attack on Parliament House
What action should we take? Why Jaswanth Singh saying not to attack on terrorist camps in POK with out consulting America.
| By Jesse on Tuesday, September 18, 2001 - 06:11 am: |
Ahh, in a time when the world fears Islamic fundamentalists, all we need is a few wise words from a Christian fundamentalist (AKA jackass):
>>How does today's tragedy affect YOU?!
If you don't believe in JESUS and fall before Him, repenting and believing He is LORD, GOD and the ONLY way to salvation, you too will burn in the fires of hell FOREVER! I am sure the sicko islamic terrorists who did these autrocitities today were NOT laughing when they saw Jesus facetoface and realized their eternal fate! Taslem Aslam - believe the TRUE faith, that JESUS CHRIST is Lord! So no matter who you are or where you are your life is in GOD's hands, not some stupid terrorist - but you don't have to worry at all if you come to Jesus - so do it NOW!
| By Anonymous on Sunday, September 16, 2001 - 11:14 pm: |
well i'm from America and some thingd i've read in this i've taken to offence we did nothing to deserve what has happened to ous it is the worst thing that i've ever went through in my life. i don't see ous forgeting this and we are going to fight and fight hard
| By anonymous on Sunday, September 16, 2001 - 09:41 am: |
Robert Fisk: Bush is walking into a trap
The Independent
16 September 2001
Retaliation is a trap. In a world that was supposed to have learnt that the rule of law comes above revenge, President Bush appears to be heading for the very disaster that Osama bin Laden has laid down for him. Let us have no doubts about what happened in New York and Washington last week. It was a crime against humanity. We cannot understand America's need to retaliate unless we accept this bleak, awesome fact. But this crime was perpetrated it becomes ever clearer to provoke the United States into just the blind, arrogant punch that the US military is preparing.
Mr bin Laden every day his culpability becomes more apparent has described to me how he wishes to overthrow the pro-American regime of the Middle East, starting with Saudi Arabia and moving on to Egypt, Jordan and the other Gulf states. In an Arab world sunk in corruption and dictatorships most of them supported by the West the only act that might bring Muslims to strike at their own leaders would be a brutal, indiscriminate assault by the United States. Mr bin Laden is unsophisticated in foreign affairs, but a close student of the art and horror of war. He knew how to fight the Russians who stayed on in Afghanistan, a Russian monster that revenged itself upon its ill-educated, courageous antagonists until, faced with war without end, the entire Soviet Union began to fall apart.
The Chechens learnt this lesson. And the man responsible for so much of the bloodbath in Chechnya the career KGB man whose army is raping and murdering the insurgent Sunni Muslim population of Chechnya is now being signed up by Mr Bush for his "war against people''. Vladimir Putin must surely have a sense of humour to appreciate the cruel ironies that have now come to pass, though I doubt if he will let Mr Bush know what happens when you start a war of retaliation; your army like the Russian forces in Chechnya becomes locked into battle with an enemy that appears ever more ruthless, ever more evil.
But the Americans need look no further than Ariel Sharon's futile war with the Palestinians to understand the folly of retaliation. In Lebanon, it was always the same. A Hizbollah guerrilla would kill an Israeli occupation soldier, and the Israelis would fire back in retaliation at a village in which a civilian would die. The Hizbollah would retaliate with a Katyusha missile attack over the Israeli border, and the Israelis would retaliate again with a bombardment of southern Lebanon. In the end, the Hizbollah the "centre of world terror'' according to Mr Sharon drove the Israelis out of Lebanon.
In Israel/Palestine, it is the same story. An Israeli soldier shoots a Palestinian stone-thrower. The Palestinians retaliate by killing a settler. The Israelis then retaliate by sending a murder squad to kill a Palestinian gunman. The Palestinians retaliate by sending a suicide bomber into a pizzeria. The Israelis then retaliate by sending F-16s to bomb a Palestinian police station. Retaliation leads to retaliation and more retaliation. War without end.
And while Mr Bush and perhaps Mr Blair prepare their forces, they explain so meretriciously that this is a war for "democracy and liberty'', that it is about men who are "attacking civilisation''. "America was targeted for attack,'' Mr Bush informed us on Friday, "because we are the brightest beacon for freedom and opportunity in the world.'' But this is not why America was attacked. If this was an Arab-Muslim apocalypse, then it is intimately associated with events in the Middle East and with America's stewardship of the area. Arabs, it might be added, would rather like some of that democracy and liberty and freedom that Mr Bush has been telling them about. Instead, they get a president who wins 98 per cent in the elections (Washington's friend, Mr Mubarak) or a Palestinian police force, trained by the CIA, that tortures and sometimes kills its people in prison. The Syrians would also like a little of that democracy. So would the Saudis. But their effete princes are all friends of America in many cases, educated at US universities.
I will always remember how President Clinton announced that Saddam Hussein another of our grotesque inventions must be overthrown so that the people of Iraq could choose their own leaders. But if that happened, it would be the first time in Middle Eastern history that Arabs have been permitted to do so. No, it is "our'' democracy and "our'' liberty and freedom that Mr Bush and Mr Blair are talking about, our Western sanctuary that is under attack, not the vast place of terror and injustice that the Middle East has become.
Let me illustrate what I mean. Nineteen years ago today, the greatest act of terrorism using Israel's own definition of that much misused word in modern Middle Eastern history began. Does anyone remember the anniversary in the West? How many readers of this article will remember it? I will take a tiny risk and say that no other British newspaper certainly no American newspaper will today recall the fact that on 16 September 1982, Israel's Phalangist militia allies started their three-day orgy of rape and knifing and murder in the Palestinian refugee camps of Sabra and Shatila that cost 1,800 lives. It followed an Israeli invasion of Lebanon designed to drive the PLO out of the country and given the green light by the then US Secretary of State, Alexander Haig which cost the lives of 17,500 Lebanese and Palestinians, almost all of them civilians. That's probably three times the death toll in the World Trade Centre. Yet I do not remember any vigils or memorial services or candle-lighting in America or the West for the innocent dead of Lebanon; I don't recall any stirring speeches about democracy or liberty. In fact, my memory is that the United States spent most of the bloody months of July and August 1982 calling for "restraint".
No, Israel is not to blame for what happened last week. The culprits were Arabs, not Israelis. But America's failure to act with honour in the Middle East, its promiscuous sale of missiles to those who use them against civilians, its blithe disregard for the deaths of tens of thousands of Iraqi children under sanctions of which Washington is the principal supporter all these are intimately related to the society that produced the Arabs who plunged America into an apocalypse of fire last week.
America's name is literally stamped on to the missiles fired by Israel into Palestinian buildings in Gaza and the West Bank. Only four weeks ago, I identified one of them as an AGM 114-D air-to-ground rocket made by Boeing and Lockheed-Martin at their factory in of all places Florida, the state where some of the suiciders trained to fly.
It was fired from an Apache helicopter (made in America, of course) during the 1982 Israeli invasion of Lebanon, when hundreds of cluster bombs were dropped in civilian areas of Beruit by the Israelis in contravention of undertakings given to the United States. Most of the bombs had US Naval markings and America then suspended a shipment of fighter bombers to Israel for less than two months.
The same type of missile this time an AGM 114-C made inGeorgia was fired by the Israelis into the back of an ambulance near the Lebanese village of Mansori, killing two women and four children. I collected the pieces of the missile, including its computer coding plate, flew to Georgia and presented them to the manufacturers at the Boeing factory. And what did the developer of the missile say to me when I showed him photographs of the children his missile had killed? "Whatever you do," he told me, "don't quote me as saying anything critical of the policies of Israel."
I'm sure the father of those children, who was driving the ambulance, will have been appalled by last week's events, but I don't suppose, given the fate of his own wife one of the women killed that he was in a mood to send condolences to anyone. All these facts, of course, must be forgotten now.
Every effort will be made in the coming days to switch off the "why'' question and concentrate on the who, what and how. CNN and most of the world's media have already obeyed this essential new war rule. I've already seen what happens when this rule is broken. When The Independent published my article on the connection between Middle Eastern injustice and the New York holocaust, the BBC's 24-hour news channel produced an American commentator who remarked that "Robert Fisk has won the prize for bad taste''. When I raised the same point on an Irish radio talk show, the other guest, a Harvard lawyer, denounced me as a bigot, a liar, a "dangerous man'' and of course potentially anti-Semitic. The Irish pulled the plug on him.
No wonder we have to refer to the terrorists as "mindless''. For if we did not, we would have to explain what went on in those minds. But this attempt to censor the realities of the war that has already begun must not be permitted to continue. Look at the logic. Secretary of State Colin Powell was insisting on Friday that his message to the Taliban is simple: they have to take responsibility for sheltering Mr bin Laden. "You cannot separate your activities from the activities of the perpetrators,'' he warned. But the Americans absolutely refuse to associate their own response to their predicament with their activities in the Middle East. We are supposed to hold our tongues, even when Ariel Sharon a man whose name will always be associated with the massacre at Sabra and Shatila announces that Israel also wishes to join the battle against "world terror''.
No wonder the Palestinians are fearful. In the past four days, 23 Palestinians have been killed in the West Bank and Gaza, an astonishing figure that would have been front-page news had America not been blitzed. If Israel signs up for the new conflict, then the Palestinians by fighting the Israelis will, by extension, become part of the "world terror'' against which Mr Bush is supposedly going to war. Not for nothing did Mr Sharon claim that Yasser Arafat had connections with Osama bin Laden.
I repeat: what happened in New York was a crime against humanity. And that means policemen, arrests, justice, a whole new international court at The Hague if necessary. Not cruise missiles and "precision'' bombs and Muslim lives lost in revenge for Western lives. But the trap has been sprung. Mr Bush perhaps we, too are now walking into it.
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16 September 2001 08:16 GMT+1
Joan Smith: The terrible question that America must ask itself
16 September 2001
No one could fail to be moved by the dreadful stories coming out of the United States last week, or the instances of heroism and self-sacrifice that emerged in the aftermath of the terrorist attacks on the east coast. The scale of the destruction was simply too great to grasp, and there was a natural human impulse to focus instead on what happened to individuals. The couple who jumped to their deaths, hand-in-hand, from the burning skyscraper; the passenger who called his wife from a doomed plane to say he was going to fight back: these were glimpses of the human spirit at its best, of the courage to act even in the face of certain death and of the emotions love, affection, comradeship that inspire it. It was stories like these, and the quiet dignity of New Yorkers during the grim rescue operation, that made the horror even remotely bearable in a week when many people found themselves weeping openly and unable to sleep.
That grief has been made worse, over the last couple of days, by terrible fears for the future. "War", The Mirror declared baldly on Thursday; "Bush vows to lead world to victory", the International Herald Tribune said a day later. There is a sense that we are drifting into an open-ended conflict with a so-far-unidentified enemy, although Afghanistan and Iraq appear to be the most likely targets. And while the anger of ordinary Americans is understandable, their leaders' rhetoric has more than a whiff about it of impotent rage. Talk of a "war on terrorism" is frighteningly reminiscent of the "war on drugs" that has been waged with such ferocity, and so ineffectually, by successive administrations.
Many Americans have expressed not just anger and grief but incomprehension, reminding me of conversations I had during my first visit to the States 20 years ago. As I travelled across the country to interview relatives of the hostages held in the American embassy in Tehran, what I encountered again and again was an ignorance about the outside world that took my breath away. The father of a US marine talked movingly about his son, then looked at me despairingly: "Why have the Iranians done this to my family? We gave them the best telephone system in the world." I asked him what he knew about America's support for the Shah, whose secret police force, Savak, tortured and murdered his opponents. It rapidly became clear that he knew nothing about the Middle East, or his own government's role in keeping this thuggish autocrat in power.
This story has always encapsulated, for me, the bewilderment ordinary Americans feel about the loathing they inspire around the world. Middle-class citizens (and I except from this the millions of poor whites, blacks and Hispanics who endure the kind of poverty you would expect to find in a developing country) live in affluent cities and suburbs. Their commitment to peace, justice and democracy is genuine, as is their religious faith. In a world full of unpleasant regimes, dogged by civil conflicts and terrorism, they see themselves as a beacon of liberty, which is why the President declared that "freedom itself" was under attack last week. They do not understand that there are whole swathes of the world where the US is perceived much less benignly. At the very least, it is seen as a culture obsessed with celluloid violence and weapons, yet preternaturally afraid of any of its military personnel dying abroad. Bush denounced the hijackers as cowardly, yet that epithet could be equally applied perhaps more so, given the deranged courage required of the suicide bomber to the bombing of Iraq and Serbia.
The American government's ruthless pursuit of its own economic and military interests is the reason why many Palestinians, Chileans, Rwandans, Guatemalans and Indonesians I could fill the rest of this paragraph with the list have suffered decades of occupation, torture, death squads, poverty, civil war or exile. For them, America's freedom and prosperity have been achieved at a staggeringly high cost elsewhere in the world.
This is not an easy thing to write, so soon after last week's dreadful events, and I am aware that hundreds of Britons, as well as many thousands of Americans, were among the casualties. But to understand the etiology of terrorist attacks is not to excuse them. Just as successive British governments had to recognise Irish terrorism as a political and not just a military problem, in order to broker the current ceasefire, the US needs to address the causes of terrorism if it is to achieve the security it urgently seeks. There is not much evidence that it is doing so, which is why Nato's offer of support to the President is morally wrong and a gargantuan political error. It will make things worse, and may well put more European lives at risk.
The attack on America is specific, very likely a response to its disastrous support for Israel, and a reflection of the unparalleled despair felt across the Middle East about the ever-worsening plight of the Palestinians. That does not justify it in any way, but it is not an assault on Nato and certainly not a "War on the World", as another apocalyptic Mirror headline claimed. This is the kind of language that dismays even America's friendly critics, not to mention more than 5.5 billion people who are not American citizens. We are entering a period of unprecedented instability, where the stark choice is between tackling the causes of terrorism and declaring another unwinnable war, inevitably signalling more deaths. To begin with, they are likely to be in the Middle East, as if that region has not suffered enough. But every American missile launched in revenge over the next few weeks will keep international terrorism alive, no matter how many individual terrorists it succeeds in destroying. If freedom and democracy are to be defended in the long term, that can be done only within the rule of law. Hunt down the perpetrators, yes but try them in a court of law. Don't murder them in retaliation.
Ref: http://argument.independent.co.uk/regular_columnists/joan_smith/story.jsp?story=94251
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Bring the murderers to justice, but tackle the causes of these outrages
14 September 2001
The global debate about the right way to respond to the attacks on New York and Washington is resolving into a choice between retaliation and justice. So far, President Bush seems to be treading a careful line between the pressure of public opinion for vengeance and a more restrained attempt to enforce international law.
There is a strong strain of popular sentiment in America and not entirely vicariously in Britain, which demands that the US, or the world's democracies together, hit back at the terrorists and hit back hard. To the extent that this is vengeful bloodlust, it should be resisted although it can be understood. Revenge is, after all, akin to justice, and the US is entitled to try to bring the perpetrators to justice to the extent that the attacks were orchestrated, as seems likely, by people who did not die in them.
It is probably irrelevant to point out that the evidence against Osama bin Laden, the top suspect, is circumstantial, or that the assassination of individuals is contrary to international law. It would be better if the immediate response were as restrained as possible, and as consistent as possible with international law. The fewer additional civilians killed in Afghanistan or elsewhere, the better. And the wider the coalition which can be constructed against this outrage, the better. If Russia and China, both of which have their own problems with self-identified Muslim extremists, can be persuaded to hold a common line against terrorism, this would be an important advance for the prospects of a new world order.
The debate between retaliation for the sake of demonstrating resolve and a more targeted attempt to "take out" the individuals responsible does not, however, address the causes of modern terrorism. It ought to be clear, though, that lashing out indiscriminately against any state, group or individual the US sees as an enemy (as advocated with chilling carelessness by a prestigious American columnist on this page) will make terrorist outrages more likely. It would only help recruit a new generation of martyrs prepared to die in a holy war.
Even so, the preferable short-term response, an attempt by a broad coalition of nations to bring provable criminals to justice, would do nothing to reduce the likelihood of future attacks. That requires an understanding of what it is that drives people to such a pitch of righteous anger that they believe killing thousands of civilians, and themselves, is a necessary and virtuous action.
The pursuit of justice, therefore, is quite separate from the pursuit of policies aimed at shrinking the pool of potential martyrs from which the terrorists of the future will be drawn, which ought to be the real objective of any sensible long-term response to 11 September 2001.
Sir Michael Alexander, the former British ambassador to Nato, argues persuasively in his letter on the page opposite that the US and its allies must tackle the underlying injustices that are seen by Muslim populations across the Middle East as reasons for hating the West. The central grievances animating terrorism in the name of Islam are the thousands of civilians allegedly killed by the US or Israel in Palestine, Lebanon and Iraq.
So far, the dominant Israeli response to Tuesday's attacks seems to be to say, "Now you see what we are up against". That is a counsel of despair. Israel's policy of hitting back at terrorism, an eye for an eye, has been disastrously unsuccessful. Had a peace settlement been agreed at Camp David last year, it might not have averted the World Trade Centre attack, but it might have eroded just a little of the festering anger of the intifada.
Now is hardly the time to advocate a change of policy, but it is worth pointing out again that Western policy towards Iraq has been designed without any consideration of how it can be distorted and presented to impoverished, desperate and alienated people throughout the Arab world. It should be obvious to any dispassionate observer that the sufferings of the Iraqi people are entirely the responsibility of Saddam Hussein and his regime. Yet lifting non-military sanctions on Iraq is a precondition of winning the propaganda war among Muslim peoples throughout the Middle East.
If Tuesday's horror should persuade the West of anything, it should be of the utmost importance of winning that propaganda war. For too long, the poor and uneducated of the Gaza Strip, Cairo and Yemen have been more or less invisible to the West, except as the incomprehensible stage army of a Middle East drama without narrative on television news. They are fertile soil for the extremist ideology of demagogues. If they believe that the US is an anti-Muslim empire, bent on killing Muslim children and financing Israel's theft of their holy land, then this is a problem not just for the US but for the rest of the world.
Britain and the US are in this together. Whatever reservations we might have about US tactics yet to be decided, the values which underpin US democracy are our values. For all Israel's falling short of the ideal, they are Israel's values too. But we have failed utterly to communicate those values to the dispossessed of the Muslim world.
http://argument.independent.co.uk/leading_articles/story.jsp?story=93939
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| By anonymous on Friday, September 14, 2001 - 05:34 am: |
THE WICKEDNESS AND AWESOME CRUELTY OF A CRUSHED AND HUMILIATED PEOPLE
By Robert Fisk (Independent Newspaper, UK)
12 September 2001
So it has come to this. The entire modern history of the Middle East the collapse of the Ottoman empire, the Balfour declaration, Lawrence of Arabia's lies, the Arab revolt, the foundation of the state of Israel, four Arab-Israeli wars and the 34 years of Israel's brutal occupation of Arab land all erased within hours as those who claim to represent a crushed, humiliated population struck back with the wickedness and awesome cruelty of a doomed people. Is it fair is it moral to write this so soon, without proof, when the last act of barbarism, in Oklahoma, turned out to be the work of home-grown Americans? I fear it is. America is at war and, unless I am mistaken, many thousands more are now scheduled to die in the Middle East, perhaps in America too. Some of us warned of "the explosion to come''. But we never dreamt this nightmare.
And yes, Osama bin Laden comes to mind, his money, his theology, his frightening dedication to destroy American power. I have sat in front of bin Laden as he described how his men helped to destroy the Russian army in Afghanistan and thus the Soviet Union. Their boundless confidence allowed them to declare war on America. But this is not the war of democracy versus terror that the world will be asked to believe in the coming days. It is also about American missiles smashing into Palestinian homes and US helicopters firing missiles into a Lebanese ambulance in 1996 and American shells crashing into a village called Qana and about a Lebanese militia paid and uniformed by America's Israeli ally hacking and raping and murdering their way through refugee camps.
No, there is no doubting the utter, indescribable evil of what has happened in the United States. That Palestinians could celebrate the massacre of 20,000, perhaps 35,000 innocent people is not only a symbol of their despair but of their political immaturity, of their failure to grasp what they had always been accusing their Israeli enemies of doing: acting disproportionately. All the years of rhetoric, all the promises to strike at the heart of America, to cut off the head of "the American snake'' we took for empty threats. How could a backward, conservative, undemocratic and corrupt group of regimes and small, violent organisations fulfil such preposterous promises? Now we know.
And in the hours that followed yesterday's annihilation, I began to remember those other extraordinary assaults upon the US and its allies, miniature now by comparison with yesterday's casualties. Did not the suicide bombers who killed 241 American servicemen and 100 French paratroops in Beirut on 23 October 1983, time their attacks with unthinkable precision?
There were just seven seconds between the Marine bombing and the destruction of the French three miles away. Then there were the attacks on US bases in Saudi Arabia, and last year's attempt almost successful it now turns out to sink the USS Cole in Aden. And then how easy was our failure to recognise the new weapon of the Middle East which neither Americans nor any other Westerners could equal: the despair-driven, desperate suicide bomber.
And there will be, inevitably, and quite immorally, an attempt to obscure the historical wrongs and the injustices that lie behind yesterday's firestorms. We will be told about "mindless terrorism'', the "mindless" bit being essential if we are not to realise how hated America has become in the land of the birth of three great religions.
Ask an Arab how he responds to 20,000 or 30,000 innocent deaths and he or she will respond as decent people should, that it is an unspeakable crime. But they will ask why we did not use such words about the sanctions that have destroyed the lives of perhaps half a million children in Iraq, why we did not rage about the 17,500 civilians killed in Israel's 1982 invasion of Lebanon. And those basic reasons why the Middle East caught fire last September the Israeli occupation of Arab land, the dispossession of Palestinians, the bombardments and state-sponsored executions ... all these must be obscured lest they provide the smallest fractional reason for yesterday's mass savagery.
No, Israel was not to blame though we can be sure that Saddam Hussein and the other grotesque dictators will claim so but the malign influence of history and our share in its burden must surely stand in the dark with the suicide bombers. Our broken promises, perhaps even our destruction of the Ottoman Empire, led inevitably to this tragedy. America has bankrolled Israel's wars for so many years that it believed this would be cost-free. No longer so. But, of course, the US will want to strike back against "world terror'', and last night's bombardment of Kabul may have been the opening salvo. Indeed, who could ever point the finger at Americans now for using that pejorative and sometimes racist word "terrorism''?
Eight years ago, I helped to make a television series that tried to explain why so many Muslims had come to hate the West. Last night, I remembered some of those Muslims in that film, their families burnt by American-made bombs and weapons. They talked about how no one would help them but God. Theology versus technology, the suicide bomber against the nuclear power. Now we have learnt what this means.
| By dewanand of the netherlands on Thursday, September 13, 2001 - 07:53 pm: |
Wfor128.doc / 010913 / Islamism is neonazism / 1150W
Subject: Islamism is neonazism
After years of studying and observing muslim behaviour, inner reflections, abstract mental constitution, their narrowminded vision upon non-muslims and their daily thoughts, I discovered some disturbing facts. For many years I kept silent, but today, after the cowardly attack on the WTC in New York, I decided to publish parts of my research results.
Every normal person gets confused by only hearing the word neonazism or fascism. We all know the reality of the nazist regimes of WOII in Germany and after that big war every healthy human of this world said to him/herself:
"Never, never again, please, save the world, save my children".
In short simple steps I will reveal my knowledge about Islam. Remember as reader that I was raised as a muslim and after many years of extreme problems, I totally converted myself toward Hinduism, because Hindu people are tolerant and more developed. Hindu women accepted me as human being, in spite of my handicaps and they gave me a new belief in my future, without any rewards for themself. For me Hinduism is really advanced and the ultimate future of all living creatures on this planet.
Observe the similarity between muslims and neonazism:
Similarity 1
Nazist say: "Heil Hitler"
Muslim say: "Allah ho akbar"
Observe: just the same feelings, same emotions and, same thoughts.
Similarity 2
Nazist believe that they are superior.
Muslim believe that they are superior and the chosen ones by Allah, so they will go to the muslim heaven, even if they kill and rape thousands of innocent women and children.
Observe: just the same feelings, same motives for committing crimes against humanity and same thoughts.
Similarity 3
Nazist will kill everyone in the name of their Führer, Adolf Hitler.
Muslim will kill every enemy that is called Haram, in the name of Allah, their symbol of muslim unity.
Observe: just the same feelings, same motives for committing crimes against humanity and same thoughts.
Similarity 4
Nazist suppressed women in brutal way, with coldbloody force. All women in Germany were sent to the kitchen after the absolute laws of the Führer were installed.
Muslim control women totally and condemn them to a life as underdogs, and they even have succeeded in letting women believe that they are inferior and equal to a half man.
Observe: totally no difference in treatment of women.
Similarity 5
Nazist believed in the holy book Mein Kampf, written by Joseph Goebbels.
Muslim believe in holy book koran.
Observe: Just the same goal, same content, same cruel vision of future of humanity. No difference, after abstract analysis. After abstract analysis I concluded that the inner core of the muslim mind is the same as that of a nazist of the Nazi-empire.
There are many other similarities between muslim thinking and nazist thoughts.
One difference:
Nazist ruled for ten years, and systematically killed almost 70 percent of all jews in Europe.
Muslim empires ruled for ten centuries in India, killing 60 million Hindus. Even today muslim leaders rules in many parts of the world and everyday innocent humans suffer or are being killed. Examples: Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Iran, Sudan, Nigeria. Find more for yourself.
Therefore I want to inform the whole world that my conclusion
after deep scientific study and hard life experience is stated as follows:
1. Islam is just the same as neo-nazism.
2. The biggest LIE OF HISTORY is that Islam is a religion.
Scientific conclusion: Islam is not a religion at all.
3. IT analysis results can be stated as follows:
Islam is a hatred, binary and very destructible virus that can infect (indoctrinate) many human brains and especially destroy the youth and life of young children. It is a crime to put such a destructive thought into the mind of young children. Please protect all youngsters of today in islamic families.
After deep meditation and reanalysation of all facts,
I advise all democratic folks and countries to undertake the following steps:
Advise 1.
Firstly forbid the koran. it is a book that spreads only hatred and narrowminded thoughts in this world and this is not good for our world society. Koran clearly mentions the abscence of world peace and stimulates the development of a global bloody jihad.
The koran is the most destructive book in the world of all civilizations on our poor planet. Such a book must be doomed for the mass. By consuming the destructive energy of the koran, every human can become a ruthless enemy of mankind.
Advise 2.
Start (global) information campaign to actively convert muslims into another religion, that is more peaceful. start by making clear that nobody must call himself muslim anymore, because it is the same as neonazism. Send many mental workers to Islamic countries to spread the peaceful religions, just like Buddhism, Sufism, Bahai, Greek mythology, Odinism, Sikhism, Jainism, Hinduism, Christianity and many others, or to Humanism. Refill the mind of all ex-muslims and eradicate this awful indoctrination within one generation.
This is the cheapest solution, and the result is almost permanently. The koran must be totally forbidden and possession of a koran must be punished.
Advise 3.
Start telling youth and children of muslim families and origins the truth about the bloody and cowardly history of islam and who mohammed and his killing gangs really were. every child has the right to know the truth and parents do not have the right to doom the future of a young innocent child. Tell these children the truth on all schools, starting with lowest reading classes or by tales. Every child is my child and that's why I am ready to fight for the rights of small innocent children.
Advise 4.
In civilised cultures mutilation of the human body is forbidden by clearly stated laws. Scientific research has already proven that circumcision is not natural and leads to traumatic experiences, sexual frustrations, agression and blocking of orgasm, by men and women. And the myth that circumsicion is hygienic is already refuted. Therefore I strongly state the advise to totally forbid (religious forced) circumsicion, without medical indication by specialists.
Mistreatment and bodily mutilation of human beings, especially children,
In Hindu culture they say:
Sathya (truth) will always win.
Only with Gyaan (knowledge) it is possible to light up the darkness of unknowing.
So please tell youngsters the truth.
It is our duty to prevent the new generation of the children out of originally muslim families, from indoctrination by destructive thoughts from the koran. We must inform the young about the dangers of islam and it is better to start today on all schools in the whole world. More cheaper and more efficient for all humans on earth. Every human being has the right to know the truth about the history of mankind and to gather the knowledge to live happily and peacefully.
Aum Shanti, Shanti, Aum Shanti.
| By db on Thursday, September 13, 2001 - 04:24 am: |
there is very informative discussion on afghanistan at
http://southasia.net/talk/messages/5/5.html
| By cooljat on Wednesday, September 12, 2001 - 08:45 pm: |
The Yankee's forgot the old saying
"What goe around inevitably comes around"
| By anonymouos on Wednesday, September 12, 2001 - 05:21 pm: |
By anonymouos on Wednesday, September 12, 2001 - 09:50 pm:
Osama is probably not this inteligent to commit this crime.
I believe that it was Iraq who did this.
The planes came in just like the precision missiles that we all watched America did to Iraq when Bush Sr. was president.
Iraq is now exacting revenge. Terroist do quick things to get their point across. But country with vast resources such as Iraq with plenty of time to master mind this, and with technical talent available, pilots to coordinate and navigate, structural engineers to determine what is needed to cause great damage, inteligent experts to determine when to cause the most amount of damage plenty of people to carry the work out.
Don't forget the Pentagon was hit. The heart of Americas defense. Why would a terroist target Pentagon? Only unless someone wants to make a point with the American defense system. Unless the terroist wants to take revenge on the Defense system leadership. Americas defense nucleas was attacked. So, what we are talking about is that the terroists wanted to prove to the world that America is not so mighty.
So all you people who are pointing to Osama better re think this on a grander scale.
| By asimpleanswer on Tuesday, September 11, 2001 - 03:45 pm: |
How does today's tragedy affect YOU?!
If you don't believe in JESUS and fall before Him, repenting and believing He is LORD, GOD and the ONLY way to salvation, you too will burn in the fires of hell FOREVER! I am sure the sicko islamic terrorists who did these autrocitities today were NOT laughing when they saw Jesus facetoface and realized their eternal fate! Taslem Aslam - believe the TRUE faith, that JESUS CHRIST is Lord! So no matter who you are or where you are your life is in GOD's hands, not some stupid terrorist - but you don't have to worry at all if you come to Jesus - so do it NOW!